Sidekick engines tilt on driver side ?

[john110]

is it the case, I think the engine is incline some degrees by the driver side. is it the case, what`s the % and the reason. Someone in my area who like and rebuilt some Trackick told me(2 years ago) that it was for better oïl drainning.

I never got any answer about this, if someone can answer this it has to be you Kick!!

I`m talking about 94/95 generation.....

[fixkick]

the 8v or 16v
the 16v tilts front to rear only not side to side.
if you look at vast photos 16v the plenun top is flat left to right
the 8v?
the heads have many oil drains, no needed for tilt to drain right, ever.
but the 8v looks like this

example. it does seem so but? is it?

http://www.fixkick.com/t-belt/t-belt2w.jpg


http://www.fixkick.com/t-belt/donebelt1.jpg


the belt cover show huge tilt
not sure its really tilted or and illusion.?




here is my guess)if
they all tilt for normal torque reaction
when you accelerate hard, the engine jumps to . drivers right, from , where it was...
if is tilted, (if)
so that means it dont hit things on others side. call it a flex zone.
which allows a larger intake manifold that side, and larger plenum ,ALL EFI loves.

here is my 97 16v
no tilt or small
http://www.fixkick.com/engine/97-motor-p...ge_58.html



what engine to you have
and got photos of tilt?

[john110]

It`s a 94 1.6 8v. Looking at your pics it seems to be inclined on the driver side. When I did my engine swap last year I was wondering if I replaced correctly the two rubber parts on witch sit the engine. But when looking at many pics , we can see that the engine is slightly inclined by the driver side. Even when looking at the cam bolt, it`s not vertical(90 degree) with the crank bolt.

[fixkick]

any tilt there is for torque reaction
take car with a/t trans
put in low
all brakes hard set
hood up , car point in clear safe direction
observer to left side of engine bay.
driver floors the throttle. see that engine move, now.
. lots of movement. (called the stall test in FSM , a/t chapters)
and needs room to do this, and many engines are pre tilted to make parts fit better over there or lower hood lines
or have huge intake manifold or all those.

but a V engine this hopeless.but many inline engines have natural tilt, from a little to huge seen a Plymouth slant 6?
http://www.allpar.com/photos/mopar/image...nt-six.jpg


for sure hood lines tops list
many sports cars with a huge inline engines,tilt.
this engine is used,in other cars too.

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the cams bearings drain, with no problem , you can park anywhere and they drain perfectly
even in san francisco. (shocking tilts)

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i wish now my tripod had my spirit level attached.

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engine block pan off , crank out and sitting on a bench.
no tilt
head on, no tilt or offsets
but in car mounts dictate this

what matters is when the engine flexs to the right, it dont hit things.
it does move.
the right mount compresses and left stretches.

[john110]

"here is my guess),,," ok I didn`t saw that part when first reading. and it makes a lot of sence..........

[fixkick]

here is the block, upside down 8v or16 use same block

http://www.fixkick.com/engine/97-motor-p...ge_27.html

no tilt, there is the illusion of some, but its just , odd shapes...tricking the eye.
the 16v cam sits to drivers right in head, but that is an offset, not tilt

.its all in the ,mounts

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on the esteem G16
they'd want lots of tilt for low hood line.
im sure they did. .?

[john110]

That`s weird the cam cover isn`t bent but on 8v engine ist`s inclined. so are those mount meant to get the engine inclined ?!

[fixkick]

i thiink all engines are inclined
front is top
from to back is inclinded
left to right is tilt or offsets.

the incline is to slowly work the crank to trans LEVELS, bit by bit DROPPING to the level of the off set, rear axles pinion
(HYPOID GEARS THERE ARE OFF SET TO TOP FOR SAME REASON)
and to keep u-joint not angled. (or the go bad fast)

READ up on how to match driveline parts of ...

any title is in the mounts. all mounts
the block for sure has no tilts.
see my photo of block sitting flat on 4x4's zero tilts. of any kinds.
the whole engine inclines from crank tip to rear axle, for really good reasons.

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the 5sp in 4th gear is straight shot true the main shaft, no inclines possible there..
nor in the transfer case it does same trick in ITS main shaft.
so all angles now are poor u-joints, so they incline the engine to solve that serious problem.

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the 4wd has a problem too
the front axle pig, 3rd member is just below the pan
so dropping the engine is not possible but tilting is.
see?
the look at the fixed rear axle pinion, and do drop to there.
now all this makes sense,no?

[john110]

"any title is in the mounts. all mounts
the block for sure has no tilts."

That is what I was thinking..... engine sit on the floor is strait up, cam cover is equal both side..... and when looking at about all 8v pics in those little car/trucks the valve cover is tilted by driver side..... I`m wondering if metal frame mount are leveled or if it`s the rubber parts that make it that way ?

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http://www.fixkick.com/t-belt/t-belt2w.jpg

Kick, do I need new glasses or the cam pulley is on right side of the crank pulley ?

Btw, I really don`t want to be tiresome with that sujet but it`s the first time I got serious answer about it.

[fixkick]

first off you are welcome here,and to ask anything, all to happy to help you, !!!!
im 3000 miles from home, below the equator, fun in the sun....
and have no access to my thousand photos, oops , i FTP'd to my server, found more.

that photo above lacks a reference point.
is engine tilted or is my camera.

the cam is dead center of the 8v head, but not the 16v (16 IS OFF SET)
how about this view
and the pan interference.

http://www.fixkick.com/engine/myclutch/c...locked.jpg


or this,, look tilted, Left to right (front to rear incline happens only with transmission connected.

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show a photo of yours?
tilts can be 1 degree or say 30degres.
so it's a matter of degree (no pun)

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ill up load more to the gallery ,under g16 title.

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i sadly dont have photo that ,camera level and aligned to center line of car
all photos bad.. and casual
no problem at all and is good question.
very good.
some of these cars run many engine, in one bay
and mounts are custom to this car. to fit g16 with no problems
that is for sure.. some engineer had to work all that out, and torque reaction effects.
as you know when you accelerate the pan oil wants to move to the rear, so the deep part of pan must be at the rear and due to the rear slopping of the engine, then the pan hits the front axle. so if the engine is too tall they tilt it to one side.
that is how i think they did it; using this body and frame.
they do that with mounts
and on the esteem , different mounts.

not saying its tilted or not. if i had not sold it,would photo it , with my , carpenters level. dead ahead, photos are 2d and poor.
one 4wd kick i had the rear transmission cross member looked like dog leg "bent offroading", and engine tilted..

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look here?
http://www.fixkick.com/bbs2/Suzuki-bbs/e...images&u=3

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the engine itself is not tilted left or right
the mounts may be, small tilt
if you look at rear view above, do you see tilt? left or right?'

note how pan is sculpted to fit around front drive pinion flange.
see those rear block wings, see them tilt, i cant see any....? can you
i could fit long pocket level behind the pan and measure tilt easy, but mines gone 7 years ago... now have JK jeep, (yes traitor.)




have you gone under and gandered at trans cross member, is it smashes up. like some are, wrecked.

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see that flange to pan gap?
if the engine tilts to far left that gets too close. and would eat the pan to death,
best is to look more carefully at all parts down then, loose, bent, missing.
one guy last week said, i need a rear mount"?

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it is a 3 point mounting system.