Wheel bearing confusion - how to repack a NEW bearing

[fixkick]

CHECK THIS OUT ON THAT
QJZ2K MARK
https://www.corporationwiki.com/Californ...62278.aspx

SEEMS it is not by NATIONAL at all, its clone., (fake)


all makers (top) work hard to purge illegal imported counterfeits,
https://www.machinedesign.com/motion-con...e-bearings

https://insights.globalspec.com/article/...t-bearings

https://www.stopfakebearings.com/#stayinformed

next time you fly, pray this bearings don't land there (no pun)
bearings matter, in EUROPE WW2, we bombed the German bearing makers plants every day, ever wonder why ? the world runs on bearings. be safe and be careful buying bearings. (key and critical bearings)

[thebanjoman]

https://www.napaonline.com/en/search?q=N...ified=true


$80 for Koyo,  and are prime grade.
$15 must be from china,

SKF here at  NAPA

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/PGRPFW15...el+bearing

Yep.. made in China..    For $15 I'll give it a shot.  I travel about 100 miles a day commute and errands so we'll see how long they last.

I'll be taking them to the machine shop to get them pressed.    I'm getting 'sheepish" in my old age. I tried 'em on my 12ton press and I 
didn't like the way they were fighting me so I gave up.  Let someone more experienced than me tackle this.

600 bearing makers in CHINA (red), there some good , some, bad and some horrible.   Taiwain is not really China and is always  good, super modern and high standards there.
home of the $2 bearing below,  (must be made by robots and humans sent home?)

https://china-swbearing678.en.made-in-ch...-Edge.html


ONe way DIY:
heat the hub in the oven say 250F? use gloves leather.
then press out cups easy. (seen presses blow seals at 10tons even one 20 ton did on this hub) heat expands the hub. 
on the reverse ACT, heat hub again , and put bearing box and all in a freezer bag, and in the 10f freezer and cool it. 1hr? then heat hub.
then use the press, even 5ton  can work. (in home setting)
DIY ways. (it's not Redneck ways, it's just pure  Physics at work here, thermal dynamics)

hope Fed mogul + National bearing , did there job right. off shore.


good luck with those bearings,  and yes, the shop can do it better, using the right forcing tools to not damage the new bearing.

I've used heat/cold many times in the past with great success.  I sit behind a desk all day and work on stuff for fun. This time I'll just drop 'em off and pick 'em up done.

[fixkick]

still i can not understand the 2 bearing above, the National fake photos of  it, or the BECK bearing
with the BECK inside  plastic keeper that simply removes.  (shipping protection is that)
Beck Arnley 051-3962 Bearing

https://www.rockauto.com/info/31/BA0513962-1__ra_p.jpg


rockauto
beck  we can see the insert here, but no grease seal,  (fake seals) the fake seals may be also to keep the cheap grease from running out into the box in hot 125F warehouse. (why cheap is below)
most times the box said it was shipping grease only to stop corrosion parked on shelf for a year, or more,, steel + oxygen gets you FeO2. rust. called shipping grease , Timken bearings has white sheet on this topic warning mech this grease is NOT to be run on the road. so ignore these facts and bad will happen.
my motto is fixing cars is easy buying parts never. but for sure good luck to you.

photo hot linked, (cross fingers)

[fixkick]

I guess beck gets them from CHINA company listed as QJZ. now.

[fixkick]

Beck is a top maker (history) they select parts and sell them.
It may be good.
but the grease , ID never use there grease ever. not me.
and the 180ft/lbs of crush is not optional , ever.

[thebanjoman]

still i can not understand the 2 bearing above, the National fake photos of  it, or the BECK bearing
with the BECK inside  plastic keeper that simply removes.  (shipping protection is that)
Beck Arnley 051-3962 Bearing

https://www.rockauto.com/info/31/BA0513962-1__ra_p.jpg


rockauto
beck  we can see the insert here, but no grease seal,  (fake seals) the fake seals may be also to keep the cheap grease from running out into the box in hot 125F warehouse. (why cheap is below)
most times the box said it was shipping grease only to stop corrosion parked on shelf for a year, or more,, steel + oxygen gets you FeO2. rust.  called shipping grease , Timken bearings has  white sheet on this topic warning mech this grease is NOT  to be run on the road. so ignore these facts and bad will happen.
my motto is fixing cars is easy buying parts never.  but for sure good luck to you.

photo hot linked, (cross fingers)

This photo shows the 2nd bearing I have.  if I remove the inner plastic ring (have to for installation) the bearing will separate into the 3 pieces so that it can be properly greased. 

The photo I showed you before gives every indication of a sealed bearing.  I tried pulling it apart with my hands to no avail. It still seem to have the 'crush' properties of the original but I really hope I hear from Fed Mogul on this.

I have the tools and a proper torque wrench to complete the job but I just want to know if their intention on this design is to just slap it in and go.

[fixkick]

is shame the bearing box , no paper inside (sheet) stating rules of installation.
or the grease here in this bearing is now lifetime rated, or if just (traditional) packing grease. (please remove dust protectors, etc)
my guess, is the new bearing is prepacked, but IDK.

the above photo shows the older bearing, unlike yours. same mfg code same model. so is NEW TRICKS old DOG.

[thebanjoman]

the other big question what grease did National bearing use inside that bearing,  hope springs eternal.
if buying grease and not from the Aircraft shop, (yes EPA here wrecked our car grease !)  use mobile1 syn grease only.
My boat,  i tired 5 top brands of grease on the axle bearings (Timken) and all 5 failed, in just 1 summer.  all turned to OIL and ran out "Damn"!, THANKS to the Freak'n EPA .
that is new wheels, new hubs and hand picked bearing by me,  all things here new. (overhauled)  
Mobile one still holding..

https://www.mobil.com/en/industrial/lubr...tic-grease

on topic of you use real bearings, you will need real grease too.. so I covered this.  (if really paranoid,(wise  here) you can buy Aircraft grease.,   it works at all temperatures, and any altitude , SR71? BlackBird?))

Federal Mogul got back to me about this.

Beck Arnley 051-3962 Bearing    is the NON SEALED GREASEABLE bearing. -- THE ONE TO USE

Beck Arnley 0513962 Bearing   is a SEALED NON GREASABLE bearing.   

Apparently the DASH does make a difference.

Federal Mogul is sending me Beck Arnley 051-3962 Bearing  via FEDEX so I should have it soon and I submitted a return of the Beck Arnley 0513962 Bearing  to Amazon.

So I will have 2 of the right bearings after all.   I have spare hubs assembly so I will make one up and keep it to have a spare.

What an interesting scenario.

 

[fixkick]

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Beck Arnley 051-3962 Bearing    is the NON SEALED GREASEABLE bearing. -- THE ONE TO USE


Beck Arnley 0513962 Bearing   is a SEALED NON GREASABLE bearing.   (wow just  wow)

Apparently the DASH does make a difference. (


Federal Mogul is sending me Beck Arnley 051-3962 Bearing  via FEDEX so I should have it soon and I submitted a return of the Beck Arnley 0513962 Bearing  to Amazon.

So I will have 2 of the right bearings after all.   I have spare hubs assembly so I will make one up and keep it to have a spare. (very wise that and hubs are very rare new, old YMMV)

What an interesting scenario.

 wow the case of the missing dash,  never seen anything like that ever.

amazon shows photo of plastic blocked bearing with dash./ )sure bad photos;.
the maker with preGreased bearing not stating grease spec, is silly.  to a fault that. Right now lots of grease is crap. (EPA jive ) (my guess is China grease whats there that week)


rock shows the grease-able with no dash. (more bad photos stock ?)
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=494755

ahhhhhhh Federal Mogul bought out BECK in 2016 ,   ,so they own now National name (1955 buy) and Beck 2016 buyout.  sure.
but we all know most stores show stock photos or old, or just wrong. endless. that.

the beck catalog online  does not show non dash part so that is wrong there and is THEM (OEM maker messing that up)
0513962 shown with dash and as grease-able.

http://www.beckcatalog.com/partdetail.as...e=BEARINGS

In April 2018, Tenneco announced that they had purchased Federal-Mogul in a deal worth approximately US$5.4 billion.[21]

 no dash part not in the catalog.  old dogs do new tricks! thanks,, nice to know this and is now here forever for others to see.

if really anal on grease or near north pole, ( today I am)
$20 tube but... runs super hot.350f  and -65F.  this is a great grease and may run on this car for decades,  so costs more now but saves bearings.

https://www.skylinkintl.com/blog/wheel-bearing-grease

 Mobil SHC100  ,  is one.

https://www.amazon.com/Mobilith-Lithium-...B07CTJX24Z


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R4...=0&_sop=15

[thebanjoman]

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Beck Arnley 051-3962 Bearing    is the NON SEALED GREASEABLE bearing. -- THE ONE TO USE


Beck Arnley 0513962 Bearing   is a SEALED NON GREASABLE bearing.   (wow just  wow)

Apparently the DASH does make a difference. (


Federal Mogul is sending me Beck Arnley 051-3962 Bearing  via FEDEX so I should have it soon and I submitted a return of the Beck Arnley 0513962 Bearing  to Amazon.

So I will have 2 of the right bearings after all.   I have spare hubs assembly so I will make one up and keep it to have a spare. (very wise that and hubs are very rare new, old YMMV)

What an interesting scenario.

 wow the case of the missing dash,  never seen anything like that ever.

amazon shows photo of plastic blocked bearing with dash./ )sure bad photos;.
the maker with preGreased bearing not stating grease spec, is silly.  to a fault that. Right now lots of grease is crap. (EPA jive ) (my guess is China grease whats there that week)


rock shows the grease-able with no dash. (more bad photos stock ?)
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=494755

ahhhhhhh Federal Mogul bought out BECK in 2016 ,   ,so they own now National name (1955 buy) and Beck 2016 buyout.  sure.
but we all know most stores show stock photos or old, or just wrong. endless. that.

the beck catalog online  does not show non dash part so that is wrong there and is THEM (OEM maker messing that up)
0513962 shown with dash and as grease-able.

http://www.beckcatalog.com/partdetail.as...e=BEARINGS

In April 2018, Tenneco announced that they had purchased Federal-Mogul in a deal worth approximately US$5.4 billion.[21]

 no dash part not in the catalog.  old dogs do new tricks! thanks,, nice to know this and is now here forever for others to see.

if really anal on grease or near north pole, ( today I am)
$20 tube but... runs super hot.350f  and -65F.  this is a great grease and may run on this car for decades,  so costs more now but saves bearings.

https://www.skylinkintl.com/blog/wheel-bearing-grease

 Mobil SHC100  ,  is one.

https://www.amazon.com/Mobilith-Lithium-...B07CTJX24Z


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R4...=0&_sop=15

Got it installed this weekend, I've got 2 spare wheel hubs so I'll make up another with the bearing FedMogul sent me so I'll be ready as I don't know how old the right  front is. have it on the shelf.

This was surely an interesting exercise.

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