coolant flow to ISC and IAC

[fixkick]

got this

http://www.fixkick.com/CEL/DLC/1999.jpg

that is OBD2.
if yes, scan it for EGR errors.
easy no?
or if not
see this

i have all DLC here. OBD1 too.

http://www.fixkick.com/CEL/DLC/DiagJump.html

[kthnos]

it does have that port on the right knee. however i use the front DLC port to either check for errors (CEL blinking) or to set the static timing.

when jumpering the DLC, i get no error codes now (i used to get various when i got the car. oxygen,Vss,etc,etc. everything sorted out).

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ok, lets assume the passage from the exhaust to EGR is clogged or blocked in any way. how does the ECU know that?

[fixkick]

some cars do have the right knee 16pin
called OBD1.5
and works with OBD2 with an adaptor cable, (no car here has this , trick)
you mean code 12s, but on this car , many cars the EGR is never tested.
but looking every time is a win.

our OBD1 runs a DTC 51 monitor. if it fails it sets code 51
most outer countries dont have the monitor at all, he ECU runs it blind as a bat.
in the usa this is illegal the clean air act mandated that test. outside usa this old, there is no test.(by and large...)

but to prove that drive with it unplugged (EGR) omg, what if it opens unplugged, (im not a egr electric savvy guy, like I am on vacuum junk here.)
ok got one idea , that will work (getting old sux)

make a gasket that blocks it , if no DTCs driving,then it's a blind system. (even a breakfast cereal box lid (cut up) for a gasket and 20 min drive.)

on newer cars outside usa, this is monitor was cloned (we invented OBD2 here), for example the EU rules now are more strict and you have EOBD ECu /PCM that run P0400 tests. 2 tests. driving , like ours.
one for cruise; one for deceleration. test. 400a and 400b tests.

this car below is "not supported", last line ( a 1996 first year made )

http://www.fixkick.com/ECU/Authority/monitors.jpg


sorry so confusing , 100 markets and many are very different, some have no EGR at all. (JDR cars)

we have cars that pass smog here, with just CEL lamp out.Drive in and out fast) the reason VW lies were not discovered. (and zero loop tests,track tests)

[kthnos]

i will look into that.

just so since we came on it, have you ever seen a clogged exhaust passage (from exhaust gasket/header/manifold towards the EGR)? because thats the only thing (plus the injectors) i haven`t checked so far. the rest is cleaned up (intake manifold,butterfly,isc,iac,and the 'snake' pipe to EGR).

[fixkick]

never seen a snake pipe on any , electric EGR
must be in market if not seen, only seen 3 of 100.
send photo of vin or chassis tag or of snake.

[kthnos]

just checked your site about this. what i call a 'snake' you call it a 'sidewinder pipe'. this is exactly what i have in mine (had it cleaned also a couple of months ago). the EGR is exactly the same as the ebay picture i posted. i don`t have an EGR VSV though. just a VSV for the Evap canister.

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oh and btw, the original problem (ISC/IAC coolant flow) was restored. it was indeed a (big) air pocket.

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[fixkick]

and we do not have that manifold here state side.
that is the electric EGR, and is use on many cars world wide but not here until 1999. (the year vacuum died, a blessing)
nice photos and is confusing,
(my problem not yours for sure)
my gosh you do have mono port egr plenum box, and the side winder feeds it.
ok so the intake. manifold uses the head, tunnel (EGR) and sends this egr path (left side of manifold driver perspective.)
then to the EGR main (electr)
then the same manifold (drillings all ) to the side winder and up to our monoport.

where does the ive no idea hose go? ill look that up for you in the data base

but you refuse the country questions
which forces me to read all SE416 pagers in say over 30 markets.
that is no fun for me. at all.

why not read this an say what is your 24 code, the data base this is question 1, after, country,
lots of G16 world wide, huge. variances in fueling ,spark and manfolds and egr.

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my side it USA only, (and some canada)
it does not cover, type1,2,3 engine G16b in say Europe , or Santana's from spain.
but have the catalog on all.

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wide guess for now, the id dont know hose is the brake booster, if you just follow any hose the end point is bingo , like booster.

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vsig (make a signature?)_
98 vitara jlx 4door, unknown transmission , 2wd or 4?, G16b, with market code EGR xxx?

the sidewinder is superior technology, vastly easier to clean a mono ported EGR,
the other end, not. so easy and a pain on all G16
you can do the bark test easy on the electric egr.

ok looked and EU cars.
market 2, 17, 22, ,54 have this, (UK,Sweden,Germany, and Israel) (first type class found looking)
and the top plenum box does not unbolt from the runners an clear marked uniqueness there.

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so the drawings on page match for.
head tunnel and #4 exhaust port
http://www.fixkick.com/sensors/EGR/97-cl...age_8.html
and the intake flange S bend
http://www.fixkick.com/sensors/EGR/97-cl...age_2.html

and this
the mono port (5 to 7mm hole
http://www.fixkick.com/sensors/EGR/97-cl...age_1.html

so is same paths but only valve is unique.
so my bark tests all work (at MAIN)


so here it is again revised.

1: remove the egr main.
2: the right port is vacuum , put a cork there now, block vacuum.
3: start engine here that open left whole bark>
loud PUTTS.

that is bark test 1.
if it fails to bark that path is blocked,
left means drivers perspective sitting in drivers seat.

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the clean the vacuum port to the lower side winder
then the side winder clean
and last the mono port clean, blow air there and make the free and clean , carbon below 3mm restrictions are bad.

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your valve is 77e00 valve same as the 1996,j18 engine , first engine with this, 77e really means j18 first usage, i think.

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if the S bend packs too bad, the intake must be removed
and in some case the welsh plug pullled
seen here mid S point center

http://www.fixkick.com/sensors/EGR/97-cl...age_2.html

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again
got this?
http://www.fixkick.com/specs/Body-TAGS/J...4plate.jpg

see that 24, what is YOUR 24? this is the market code and parts vary by MARKET.

[kthnos]

wow! thats a lot of data to digest!

ok, so its a Vitara 1.6L,16V, "G16BS" engine, 1998, 5spd, 5door.
made by santana motors (spain). license says the manufacturer`s factory/plant code is "7803".

Vin: VSEETW01V01204350
(i live in Greece,Europe).
as far as i know it was bought locally, not imported.

i will check the market code and let you know.

[fixkick]

ah a Santana it is , VSEET means just that. A Santana made Vitara., made in spain and is probably for market E41.
I can not decode Santana tags its a deep secret of theirs.
we can do this serially
no big deal.
do the bark test. valve off.
what we cant do is in the reverse like we do on the vacuum system versions.
on yours we start with valve off bark test.. it will be very strong barks, subjective sure, but is a 5-7mm straight shot to the #4 exhaust port.

[kthnos]

ah a Santana it is , VSEET means just that. A Santana made Vitara., made in spain and is probably for market E41.
I can not decode Santana tags its a deep secret of theirs.
we can do this serially
no big deal.
do the bark test. valve off.
what we cant do is in the reverse like we do on the vacuum system versions.
on yours we start with valve off bark test.. it will be very strong barks, subjective sure, but is a 5-7mm straight shot to the #4 exhaust port.

will do and report back (tomorrow probably). thanks again!