Rhino software and ALDL Cable...WIN!

[fixkick]

click and read.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rhinoman+OBD1&ia=web

[fixkick]

links good 2017

http://rhinopower.activeboard.com/t30695...addresses/

see doc file

and here
see this forum?
http://rhinopower.activeboard.com/f48914...-software/

see any cables there? be first place to look and read.

here is a fancy why to use Google, called doing a site search.
if you do this, you can read the endless cable problems, but the only set up that works every TIME< is the RHinoman kit , that seems to be missing, now.
I am searching , "CABLE" here.

https://www.google.com/#q=cable+site:htt...board.com/

[DETN8R]

Thanks Fix Kick! I don't have time to digest everything you said and I'm certainly willing to try to make the cable work but here is the response I got from James at Rhinoview

"My interfaces use a direct USB connection, other manufacturers interfaces will not be recognised by the software because they are only designed to use the virtual com port. Many years ago I did have some software that used the VCP but I moved away from that because it was too slow and unreliable, that software is no longer supported. I cannot provide support for other manufacturers interfaces.

...

There are several different USB protocols. The FTDI chip can communicate with a PC as either a Virtual Com Port device or as a Bulk Transfer Device. The VCP protocol relies on an FTDI driver communicating through the Windows Serial API which hasn't been properly supported since Windows 98, it requires manual configuration, is slow and is prone to 'hanging' if the cable is momentarily unplugged. The Bulk Transfer protocol is a 'proper' USB protocol and supports automatic detection and reconnection, in addition I get three times the data transfer rate which gives a much better resolution when datalogging. You need the D2XX driver from FTDI, it used to be supplied separately to the VCP driver but these days there is only one download that installs both drivers.
I have been working away for six months but I will be building another batch of interfaces next week, the interface will work with your 95

regards
James"

[fixkick]

My guess what he is saying is :
1: you need to buy my full kit, no mix and match now, and is wise.
2: Ok now we know he still sells a kit, but you need to get on the list, it built to order, like I said there are no over the counter tools for this car sold
before USA OBD2, 1996 or in canada 1998. zero. tools sold in any auto store nor from the top commercial maker SNAPON. even at $10,000 bucks, nada.


no need, to do that, there are vast ways to do all this given PC's or better laptops from 1984 to today, and are totally radially different now.
OBD1 is a deep and complex topic, truly endless (not only the PC limits but not all Suzuki use the same sensors, oops)

that is why here in the USA we ended that old junk in 1996, with OBD2, we invented it here. and is copied now world wide,under other names.
a standard tool that fits call cars.
then consider THIS obd1 , it only works on this suzuki but not all OBD1 suzuki;s and for sure the first one. (no SDL port)
this topic is not simple at all. but do ask, have lots of examples.
I should make a OBD1 faq page, (trouble is it be near endless, it is in my head but,,,,im old almost 70 now)
why not just pay him what he wants. that is what id do... get a working package in a box.
but most don't they see $10 OBD2 on fleabay and go why pay $50 for a OBD1. answer, is , "this is all there is now"!
Suzuki owners are skin flints, (love yah) but is a fact, nobodies going to get rich selling oBD1 that fits JUST one car, and not all in class (G16). its not going to happen.

Thanks Fix Kick! I don't have time to digest everything you said and I'm certainly willing to try to make the cable work but here is the response I got from James at Rhinoview

"My interfaces use a direct USB connection, other manufacturers interfaces will not be recognized by the software because they are only designed to use the virtual com port. Many years ago I did have some software that used the VCP but I moved away from that, because it was too slow and unreliable, that software is no longer supported. I cannot provide support for other manufacturers interfaces.

...
(comments by me, this so true,, there is not just one VCP maker, now or do they work the same way or use the same drivers)
He is saying that he did it the correct way, IMO ,HE DID!

There are several different USB protocols. The FTDI chip can communicate with a PC as either a Virtual Com Port device or as a Bulk Transfer Device. The VCP protocol relies on an FTDI driver communicating through the Windows Serial API which hasn't been properly supported since Windows 98, it requires manual configuration, is slow and is prone to 'hanging' if the cable is momentarily unplugged. The Bulk Transfer protocol is a 'proper' USB protocol and supports automatic detection and re-connection, in addition I get three times the data transfer rate which gives a much better resolution when datalogging. You need the D2XX driver from FTDI, it used to be supplied separately to the VCP driver but these days there is only one download that installs both drivers.
I have been working away for six months but I will be building another batch of interfaces next week, the interface will work with your 95

regards
James"

[fixkick]

obd1 FAQ'S
1: THERE IS NO OBD1 TOOL THAT WORKS ON ALL OBD1 CARS, THERE IS NO SUCH TOOL! (THE ERA ENDED IN 1995 USA) THE TECH1, OR TECH2 COMES THE CLOSEST TO OBD1 SUPPORT,
that means a honda tools do not fit a suzuk nor does the Toyota. sorry. (they are vastly different cars, end to end)
fact 2, OBD1 is used in other countries way after USA laws banned them here in 1996, seen them in places in up to 2001 or 2004, outside USA.

2: SORRY, THE $10,000 SNAPON™ TOOL DOES NOT WORK ON ANY G16 PRE 96 SUZUKI, CAR's period,. nor do most others made, high end tools,. ask them see that empty SUZUKI support page at (pick your makers tools now)?
older than 1996, facts. ( ive contacted them all and the answer is NO) (out side usa, how knows, ??? seen some rumored in Australia but zero details there)

3: USA laws invented OBD1, (California, ARB laws, did that then EPA fed mimic it) IT NEVER ONCE standardized the test tools, nor ports ,nor protocols, nor data structures.!!!!
4: USA law EPA mandated OBD2 here in the USA, with vast changes, including standard test tools, that check only federal listed items... we invented OBd2 here, and now cloned world wide..
rule 4 means you can buy a tool for $10 for your laptop and scan any post 95 car in usa, facts. sweeping and radial changes here.... and if CEL is out you pass smog, OMG sweeping changes.

consider this? OBD1 has no relationship to OBD2 at all, except both are ECUs' and both run engines and both have DTCs and live data that can nOT BE Seen on OBD1. like you can on OBD2.
The software and hardware between them are totally different.

5: there are hacking tools sold and change, in time, some go bye-bye, and this will get worse at time goes on for rare cars like this... worse every year to...
6: no body gets rich selling one car only scan tools, that fit one makers car and one engine,. if you sell said car, the tool is near worthless, unlike any OBD2 tools sold.

no lie the rhinotool is the best made!, buy one and tell all how you like it, it is not sold at Walmart nor at Macy's nor at Grand Auto or Autozoned, no.... not now or ever.
Buy the full kit,
only full kits are sold I'm told.
do so, and win.
In order to proceed you must forget the past.... (past hacks)

i can run this to a 100 item list but refuse,

[fixkick]

the page that sold the tool is now deleted. best I can tell.
so....
and google deep scans shows nada.
ask on the rhinoforum

deep and endless
ask there.
http://rhinopower.activeboard.com/f48914...-software/


my advice post a simple question there.
can i buy this RHINOman ECU scan tool kit?
how much?$ USD or EURO.?
do I need to pay VAT
what are is shipping costs.

[DETN8R]

I'll buy his tool as soon as it is reaDY

[fixkick]

great. tell us how you like it.

[mpo]

the page that sold the tool is now deleted. best I can tell.
so....
and google deep scans shows nada.
ask on the rhinoforum

deep and endless
ask there.
http://rhinopower.activeboard.com/f48914...-software/


my advice post a simple question there.
can i buy this RHINOman ECU scan tool kit?
how much?$ USD or EURO.?
do I need to pay VAT
what are is shipping costs.

Hi,
If you really need one, I can sell it to you
It's about $30 plus shipping PL->US.
http://skeletondevices.com/images/album_...index.html

It works with my own software (http://www.skeletondevices.com/software/...html#SDMon) or old version of rhinoview.

Do you have high demand for such tool here in US?
In Poland I can sell no more than 4-5 pieces a year. This is really not a hot stuff...

Regards

[fixkick]

no high demand here!
the cars are rare now, 89-95 years, I see one car every 3 months here on the road. (and point it out to wife every time, look honey, a KICK still running)
up north more.
the problem is our sensors are different than yours, ECT is one example
and most scan tools for this car fail. for ECT, if purchased out side USA.
the scanner must find the ECU # code then set the conversions (tables) from binary to say temperature. to get the display to work right.
even the mighty TECh1 scan tool has that problem until the correct pack is installed for your market codes..
USA/CANADA, Germany, Spain, Santana's , Sunrunners, etc.)