truth is bad transmission are expensive to fix. (any car) and truth 2 is finding good used 20 year old transmissions is only a dream. (never attained but luck can happen)
the TB is different on all A/T side kicks it has a twin cable, if cruise option 3 cables.
one cable bell crank? is 5sp, clear as day
the missing vacuum port is very easy to add, drill hole, tap it to NPT pipe
or more easy, buy $1 TEE fitting and add Tee to any hard vacuum line, there are many, (8v and 16v are diffr. locations and i forget what engines are there)
shorted 02 is easy, the 02 heater, wire is grounded to the frame, find it and fix it , its not bad , its an easy fix and common failure on all cars with o2s (1/2 billion?)
or the 02 heater is shorted inside (so common this is)
some years, have a relay for the 02, i'd need cars vin to look it up. see what the exact year had.... most are no relay, 02 cars.
slipping trans is never vacuum. lost to modulator valve. the valve come in color codes to match engine power. and shift points. (load based all)
only failure to up shift, in time. vacuum is load sensing device on all 3AT. (low vacuum shift later)
it never slips. ever. but some Mod valves can leak into the inside of case, so bad you get stuck in 1st gear. but that is NOT slip.
no the bell will not work, the bells only fit G16, so only the bells sold with G16 fit only the the TM180m and the A44de.
the bells and the tail adapters, make the TM180 a 3L30, and the 03-72LE , from a A44de
a44de is a trans case (and insides) and with no bell and no tail housings
tails and head vary on all engines.
Try to know that you need a transmission with Suzuki bell and tail. there are no 700r4 (1982 to 1993) the suzuki bells/tails. nada.
as you can see 1993 was end of 700s. ( 1993 Camaro) 23 year old 700r4 lay about good? id not lay odds on that bet.... ever.
after that the trans became 4Lxx box (xx = 40,60,80 , torque rating), with electronic shift and now you are back to no TCM again.
in 1989 the first Vitara, there were no 700s then (history matters). so they used GM,s French made Tm180s, the 2door is 2000lbs so works.
where can you find one. Suzuki are not a CHEVY, like 1million made, more like 50k made in whole usa. in 1 year. (some years way less and now gone,due to low sales here... they left car market in usa and canada for "underdog" status.
it's an underdog car, it's not even in the realm of a TOYOTA say corolla, 40million total on the road, and each day parts part get harder to find on Suzuki cars.
for sure working used transmissions tops this list, (and most get parked the day this quits, as you see now , why, the COST)
In fact, id bet this is the top hard part to get.?
a working used, (not rebuilt ) tranny
and good engine cores. 2nd.
each day , this will get worse. I promise.
buy a toyota if what you seek are easy to find parts used, in the wild. (in RICE form)
if not wanting rice >?
buy a Jeep.
no better car for parts. ever. (modern cars say 1990 up)
I have JK jeep. love it. (own 7 total in my life) im a JEEP guy, the sidekick is my japjeep. (my name) a kamakaze missed my dad by 6 inches, so i can call it that.
the sidekick is great off road or on snow. in buffeting winds, a great horror, fast. even 50mph, its' a box kite. so, its good and bad.
please know that there are many extremist forums, mostly kids 19 year old (like I was)
that will spend 100s of hours fitting up and alien transmission
with a full shop of tools.
plasma cutter.
and tig/mig welder. (cutting floor pans and drive shafts, childs play)
and can setup anything and do so.,.. many do. but are the 1%
have photos of sidekick on top of huge diesel truck frame. (or force fed one)
mods have no limits to the patient and deep pockets or ,just have infinite time to work this out. (i do , im retired)
i only showed those links to show you how hard it is.... only that....
bringing you back full circle to , fixing your box. or other stock issues.
3L30 slip.
Back on track, (no pun)
the stall test fails, and trans slips in D, R and L. (clear symptoms)
the next step you skipped, the" line pressure test. " costs like $20 in tools."
and my guess will fail hard, in DRIVE
min, pressure is 71 psi.
when that fails this means: (from the 3L30 diagnosis book, in every fsm in print with 3sp, with my comments)
1;low fill level (no way, you check day 1)
2: clogged filter/screen or put back wrong missing seal.( 30k service point the the scheduled service listings, dont go over 50k is best)
3:pump suction line breached, due to above, or any way the pump can suck air.!
4:leak in the pump pressure circuit ( see the hydra, map, it seems endless this path, lots of seals must work... ) THIS IS THE HARD ONE.
5: the pump pressure reg bad, or suck wide open.
6
tuck check balls (dirt/gum caused) in valve body or even missing (after rebuild)
#4 to 6, shows as "time to rebuild the box." for good reasons.
This is a Suzuki forum, not a transmission forum, we can do all the tests in the FSM called ON car tests. to prove the box is bad, or good. on car.
many car makers do not make transmissions, a fact. and just buy them and fit on there own bell, and tail.
you have not done step3)
the Dealer does this and if bad sends the box out of the tranny shop, why? because fixing them is tedious and risky. (imagine customer returns and the lost profits from that? its non trivial this part... (and understatement if ever there was)
when you buy a rebuilt the cost also includes 4 warranties, (none are free, nothing really is)
or 3
1 for you. 3k miles or 3 days..(LOL)
2 for the shop (repair car shop) (sends it back to #3)
3rd for the tranny rebuilder. (omg #2 spun it ATF empty)
a hard cold fact that and not cheap ,as A/T have this bad vibe.... (fails works fails works, that....)
$200 core (if lucky get it back)
$300 parts
$500 labor
$500 insurance. like that....
one guy here replaced the 4speed ,3 times, found the ground strap missing and TCM can't shift , lacking the strap, (electrics 101)
so why skip step2 (1 levels, dipstick, 2, stall test failed, so step 3. what?
line pressure testing?
the 4speed needs a working TCM , (if auto-shifting is a important feature, for me, i dont need it , in same spot.. i can move my hand no probs.
the 5sp can run the 3sp, but no lockup happens, unless ecu change and 1 added wire(and relay)
"I still have no clue if the bell housing will fit,"
it wont. its no small or large block chevy.
the Geo is no chevy nor true GM (Suzuki and GM did share owner ship of the CAMI plant then) the first 1989 Geo was made in japan . then moved to CAMI.
the 3speed is the only true GM part on the car. From France, GM transmission factory.
nothing else is GM
nor does G16 bell fit any GM v6 or GM v8, not by a long shot. not even close.
at cami they made the GEO and Suzuki side by side an slapped on a badge.
if you open the GEO hood behold its a Suzuki.
91 geo
http://www.fixkick.com/specs/Body-TAGS/h...age_4.html
see the top of tag?
short answer for those with day job? ) not me, id have it apart on 3x six foot tables. in the garage. and the $300 kit,sitting there. but no day jobs for me...
I'd even call it fun.. (yes, very sick mind ) love a challenge. and have done 2 A/t and 10 MT. or more. can't count them.
1: sell one as is dead, and with proceeds,pay for rebuilt trans. 3L30.
2: find a used one (trans) with warranty, (almost impossible this old) Some wrecker do , offer 5 to 7 days returns... (hard to do on any day job)
the key to success (DIY) is the bench testing as you assemble the box with new kit.
shop air is a must. with a very good regulator.
in pro shop, just one stand engine, is used,
one engine and huge pile of expensive hand made adaptor plates, it's called engine stand testing
why do they do this?, (their warranty is iron clad, and expensive)
nobody wants to do it 2 times, (unless we love the battle, some do)
hope that helps you in some small way.
sure do.
the TB is different on all A/T side kicks it has a twin cable, if cruise option 3 cables.
one cable bell crank? is 5sp, clear as day
the missing vacuum port is very easy to add, drill hole, tap it to NPT pipe
or more easy, buy $1 TEE fitting and add Tee to any hard vacuum line, there are many, (8v and 16v are diffr. locations and i forget what engines are there)
shorted 02 is easy, the 02 heater, wire is grounded to the frame, find it and fix it , its not bad , its an easy fix and common failure on all cars with o2s (1/2 billion?)
or the 02 heater is shorted inside (so common this is)
some years, have a relay for the 02, i'd need cars vin to look it up. see what the exact year had.... most are no relay, 02 cars.
slipping trans is never vacuum. lost to modulator valve. the valve come in color codes to match engine power. and shift points. (load based all)
only failure to up shift, in time. vacuum is load sensing device on all 3AT. (low vacuum shift later)
it never slips. ever. but some Mod valves can leak into the inside of case, so bad you get stuck in 1st gear. but that is NOT slip.
no the bell will not work, the bells only fit G16, so only the bells sold with G16 fit only the the TM180m and the A44de.
the bells and the tail adapters, make the TM180 a 3L30, and the 03-72LE , from a A44de
a44de is a trans case (and insides) and with no bell and no tail housings
tails and head vary on all engines.
Try to know that you need a transmission with Suzuki bell and tail. there are no 700r4 (1982 to 1993) the suzuki bells/tails. nada.
as you can see 1993 was end of 700s. ( 1993 Camaro) 23 year old 700r4 lay about good? id not lay odds on that bet.... ever.
after that the trans became 4Lxx box (xx = 40,60,80 , torque rating), with electronic shift and now you are back to no TCM again.
in 1989 the first Vitara, there were no 700s then (history matters). so they used GM,s French made Tm180s, the 2door is 2000lbs so works.
where can you find one. Suzuki are not a CHEVY, like 1million made, more like 50k made in whole usa. in 1 year. (some years way less and now gone,due to low sales here... they left car market in usa and canada for "underdog" status.
it's an underdog car, it's not even in the realm of a TOYOTA say corolla, 40million total on the road, and each day parts part get harder to find on Suzuki cars.
for sure working used transmissions tops this list, (and most get parked the day this quits, as you see now , why, the COST)
In fact, id bet this is the top hard part to get.?
a working used, (not rebuilt ) tranny
and good engine cores. 2nd.
each day , this will get worse. I promise.
buy a toyota if what you seek are easy to find parts used, in the wild. (in RICE form)
if not wanting rice >?
buy a Jeep.
no better car for parts. ever. (modern cars say 1990 up)
I have JK jeep. love it. (own 7 total in my life) im a JEEP guy, the sidekick is my japjeep. (my name) a kamakaze missed my dad by 6 inches, so i can call it that.
the sidekick is great off road or on snow. in buffeting winds, a great horror, fast. even 50mph, its' a box kite. so, its good and bad.
please know that there are many extremist forums, mostly kids 19 year old (like I was)
that will spend 100s of hours fitting up and alien transmission
with a full shop of tools.
plasma cutter.
and tig/mig welder. (cutting floor pans and drive shafts, childs play)
and can setup anything and do so.,.. many do. but are the 1%
have photos of sidekick on top of huge diesel truck frame. (or force fed one)
mods have no limits to the patient and deep pockets or ,just have infinite time to work this out. (i do , im retired)
i only showed those links to show you how hard it is.... only that....
bringing you back full circle to , fixing your box. or other stock issues.
3L30 slip.
Back on track, (no pun)
the stall test fails, and trans slips in D, R and L. (clear symptoms)
the next step you skipped, the" line pressure test. " costs like $20 in tools."
and my guess will fail hard, in DRIVE
min, pressure is 71 psi.
when that fails this means: (from the 3L30 diagnosis book, in every fsm in print with 3sp, with my comments)
1;low fill level (no way, you check day 1)
2: clogged filter/screen or put back wrong missing seal.( 30k service point the the scheduled service listings, dont go over 50k is best)
3:pump suction line breached, due to above, or any way the pump can suck air.!
4:leak in the pump pressure circuit ( see the hydra, map, it seems endless this path, lots of seals must work... ) THIS IS THE HARD ONE.
5: the pump pressure reg bad, or suck wide open.
6
tuck check balls (dirt/gum caused) in valve body or even missing (after rebuild)#4 to 6, shows as "time to rebuild the box." for good reasons.
This is a Suzuki forum, not a transmission forum, we can do all the tests in the FSM called ON car tests. to prove the box is bad, or good. on car.
many car makers do not make transmissions, a fact. and just buy them and fit on there own bell, and tail.
you have not done step3)
the Dealer does this and if bad sends the box out of the tranny shop, why? because fixing them is tedious and risky. (imagine customer returns and the lost profits from that? its non trivial this part... (and understatement if ever there was)
when you buy a rebuilt the cost also includes 4 warranties, (none are free, nothing really is)
or 3
1 for you. 3k miles or 3 days..(LOL)
2 for the shop (repair car shop) (sends it back to #3)
3rd for the tranny rebuilder. (omg #2 spun it ATF empty)
a hard cold fact that and not cheap ,as A/T have this bad vibe.... (fails works fails works, that....)
$200 core (if lucky get it back)
$300 parts
$500 labor
$500 insurance. like that....
one guy here replaced the 4speed ,3 times, found the ground strap missing and TCM can't shift , lacking the strap, (electrics 101)
so why skip step2 (1 levels, dipstick, 2, stall test failed, so step 3. what?
line pressure testing?
the 4speed needs a working TCM , (if auto-shifting is a important feature, for me, i dont need it , in same spot.. i can move my hand no probs.
the 5sp can run the 3sp, but no lockup happens, unless ecu change and 1 added wire(and relay)
"I still have no clue if the bell housing will fit,"
it wont. its no small or large block chevy.
the Geo is no chevy nor true GM (Suzuki and GM did share owner ship of the CAMI plant then) the first 1989 Geo was made in japan . then moved to CAMI.
the 3speed is the only true GM part on the car. From France, GM transmission factory.
nothing else is GM
nor does G16 bell fit any GM v6 or GM v8, not by a long shot. not even close.
at cami they made the GEO and Suzuki side by side an slapped on a badge.
if you open the GEO hood behold its a Suzuki.
91 geo
http://www.fixkick.com/specs/Body-TAGS/h...age_4.html
see the top of tag?
short answer for those with day job? ) not me, id have it apart on 3x six foot tables. in the garage. and the $300 kit,sitting there. but no day jobs for me...
I'd even call it fun.. (yes, very sick mind ) love a challenge. and have done 2 A/t and 10 MT. or more. can't count them.
1: sell one as is dead, and with proceeds,pay for rebuilt trans. 3L30.
2: find a used one (trans) with warranty, (almost impossible this old) Some wrecker do , offer 5 to 7 days returns... (hard to do on any day job)
the key to success (DIY) is the bench testing as you assemble the box with new kit.
shop air is a must. with a very good regulator.
in pro shop, just one stand engine, is used,
one engine and huge pile of expensive hand made adaptor plates, it's called engine stand testing
why do they do this?, (their warranty is iron clad, and expensive)
nobody wants to do it 2 times, (unless we love the battle, some do)
hope that helps you in some small way.
sure do.
http://www.fixkick.com