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Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - zukitrek - 10-28-2014 Hello sir. Well some smoke came from the combo switch and somehow this affected the shift lever lock mechanism. I disassembled the whole combo switch and nothing looked burnt or melted. This is in addition to the no crank issues which have been on and off and it has been my bad for not checking the wires at the battery (at least the negative, cause positive along with terminal had been replace well before this). I ended up removing the turn signals fuse and removing completely the shift lock solenoid (is this bad?). My question is where would that black wire from the combo end near the fuse box. I know this from a old post I saw (I think it was you) which they tell the person to look for this when turn signals are acting up. Thanks for your help. J Quote:anything electric that overloads, can fail , weaken or have lower service life. Update, Fix. All wire/cables coming to battery are inspected clean and in good shape, only the alternator wire that goes into under the hood fuse box was bad but now has been repaired. The black wire at the combo switch looks Ok and not burnt from what I could see (too many wires going everywhere) J RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - zukitrek - 10-28-2014 (10-28-2014, 01:39 AM)fixkick Wrote: ah here is,, was...... thanks. Hope this help. J RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - zukitrek - 10-28-2014 Oh my I guess Ill be suiting up for an intense electronic troubleshoot dive, and a deep one!! This is my achilles heel (electronics), but I'll give it a shot. J BTW the signals don't blink at all now. RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - zukitrek - 10-28-2014 Thank you sir. Will try to begin testing tonight. Wife needs the signals soon. J RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - zukitrek - 10-28-2014 This is how the combo switch connectors looked like when taken apart. J RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - zukitrek - 10-29-2014 I this was 2 weeks ago. I learned the hard way. I was lucky enough to not lose the tiny springs and balls. But I have to disassemble it to put back the Hazard button. Everything looked ok, no burns, cracks? Ohh yes, now I remember, one contact was missing some metal, there was a hole in it from friction? Maybe the culprit? I'll will disassemble tonight I take new pics. I'll keep you posted. J RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - fixkick - 10-29-2014 buff it out the new switch had dielectric grease inside, and when overloaded they smoke, this does not mean it's wasted as you can see the contracts are not melted, or the plastic black or warped. the fuse is 15amps. and is heavy the lamps are no more than 2 x 4 amps, or 8 amps total. about 1/2 the fuse rating. if the RR lamp (farthest) shorts it many not blow the fuse. it my just smoke the blinker contracts. if the connectors are old and rusty, this is common, so get one lamp to work? pick a corner. and make one blinker work, all other corners removed. ( divide and conquer?) at the most , only one side of car needs to be fixed. so is just 2 lamps. pick lift side. try one lamp only at left rear, (omg, the wires are hacked there. for trail lights?) so common this is crying towel time, i look there day 1) my guess is the blinker module s bad. (or not really connected or backwards?) the blinker can be tested in car . remove all 4 corner blinker lights ( i do that because they short so easy, x10 more easy for china imported carp lamps too) then using a test lamp a 12v light on 2 wires. i connect the lamp from ground, to the output (green) of the blinker module. i key on and it must blink. if not the power pin is dead to the blinker or ground is cut. if say the power pin is dead that means the combo switch failed to send power to the blinker module so turn on hazards, this sends a new power source to the blinker module, does that fix it? this is all first. not ripping parts apart, be shame to wreck a $150 combo for $5 blinker, sure would. use a volt meter, its not hard at all. its harmless to you and car when using volts mode.. RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - zukitrek - 10-29-2014 Yes I know, the thing is that I left the hazard button out when reassembling. ( Now I have to put it back sometime? J RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - fixkick - 10-29-2014 connect the meter Black NEG lead to body ground (shiny metal not plastic or non steel parts) not really, if you measure 2 pins on the combo, you only need one working power feed, TURNS fuse so if the turns pin is 12vdc key on? then that pin is a GO. see the blinker module? see pin 3? see those colors? yellow-white must be 12vdc, keyon, is it? this is real easy to do, just $10 voltmeter, is pin 1 0 volts zero? now? now check pin2 is the relay clicking or meter jogging from 0v to 12v over and over. no? then attach any lamp to pin 2, this lamp must flash, if not the flasher is toasted. the acid test would be to unplug the green wire some way then use test light on pin 2, it must flash or the flasher module is bad. we do that way before ripping stuff apart , not withstanding all wires checked for damage at all 4 corners of car (collision ) and the trailer wire hack jobs. here, i cut the center of of page 3 if the afor full wiring diagram. the red light bulb is any 12vdc lamp or store bough test lamp. (non led type) pin1 is G200 body ground and is 0v all the time. this be test one. if this test passes. we work the other end. my guess is the green wire is dead. or the combo switch is 100 % dead. if green is good and pin 2 aND 12 ON THE combo fail test light checks , the combo is bad. at the L/R contact set. if pin 3 is dead then the switch on the right of the combo is dead. or yellow wire is dead, keyon. or fuse blown you do know that fuses that look ok, can in fact be bad. right? my test plan above only assumes both the left and right side of car are not shorted. that be rare. and can be proven. this tool is sold in every auto store on earth http://www.amazon.com/ATD-5513-Heavy-Duty-Circuit-Tester/dp/B000M5ZWBA/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1414519098&sr=1-1&keywords=test+light+automotive or one just like it. all shops need this tool. RE: Turn signals out after smoke in combo switch - zukitrek - 11-22-2014 Sir Fix. just finished back probing the pins you indicated in the wiring diagram. Yellow wire from turn fuse has 12v with key on all the way until combo switch. Yel/white and green wire going into de hazard turn relay have no volts. Black is also no volts with key on. At least in my harness going into the combo switch there is no yel/green/ There is a Green/yell which I tested and has no volts. Are we looking for a bad relay? I totally forgot about these relays. Hope you can make something out of this. Still have not done the good/new bulb test on the turn signals to isolate problem (civic has been keeping me busy lately) anyways let me know what your thoughts are about this. Here is the pic of my harness going into the combo switch. As you can see there is no yellow/green going into the combo like in the diagram? Regards!!! |