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RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - LuisCarlos - 12-30-2015 (12-23-2015, 11:46 PM)fixkick Wrote: yah it's not CO2, (a bad running engine has low C02 , high HC, or high NOX,(egr dead), or high CO, i bet your mechanic meant to say if fail CO. Is not easy to me all of this, I'll see your next answers and I'll try to do everthing about to post photos in gallery.. Thanks you very much.. (12-24-2015, 01:11 AM)fixkick Wrote: the new limits are now 30mb quote Right, i'm going to see next comment after try post that photo.. (12-24-2015, 05:14 AM)fixkick Wrote: i shrunk all your photos 5:1 at least. Right!! You can see a new photo in the gallery again, so I know better how to post any photo, they have to have 4MB as maximum.. I'll try to reinsert last photo I removed.. I'll try to post that 3,98KB again.. See you in the next.. (12-24-2015, 06:21 AM)fixkick Wrote: when your 1.6L engine runs perfect, in closed loop , you will see that Well, for the moment I'll wait to have the vitara again with a new Oxygene sensor, perhaps tomorrow could be.. After that I'll go to the Technical Inspection to pass it.. Ihope that matter about pproblem in hot will be finished about before the end 2016.. I hope that not be a real prophecy of the future.. Cheers!! Great!! PCV valve is posted too.. Before that same photo was not possible to post.. Perhaps,because you shrunk them as you said.. Cheers!! RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - fixkick - 12-30-2015 yes, there are many 0s sensors yours must be the 3 wire sensor. its very confusing whit so many kinds i did more gallery tests, and it does have a bug... it resizes ok but as a max size. inputted, due to the memory limit of the the server. kinda pain that. i made a new table that gets all sensor deviants http://www.fixkick.com/sensors/OxyGen_sensor_help.html#unified my guess is your car uses 3 wire round pin , 02. RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - LuisCarlos - 01-03-2016 (12-30-2015, 07:02 AM)fixkick Wrote: yes, there are many 0s sensors Yes, you are right, it use a three wire sensor, it's installed now.. And from Suzuki original $213, you can see it in photo gallery.. I have an appoitment on January 14 to the ITV (Inspection Technical Vehicles).. But you know, when I was checking the vitara two days ago, I saw that the distributor cap has worn terminals, you can see photo in gallery.. So I'm going to buy a new one and with a new rotor too, because the wires from distributor to spark plugs are new also they have about three thousand km only.. I thought the mech had checking it I told him to do it and engine tuning and everything the vitara needed, but.. Perhaps this worn terminals are involved about 02 problems, the spark pluugs don't working correctly and gasoline doesn't burn well in the engine.. Perhaps, for that the spark plugs have whitish color instead brown color next to spark plugs electrodes.. But that is an idea only.. Well, I hope distributor cap don't need almost two weeks to come as O2 sensor.. Cheers and thanks!! RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - fixkick - 01-03-2016 bosch sells o2 for $25-50 USD and they invented it. $200 is stealer ship prices.. we have same here. bosch sells, cap and rotor too, both very affordable. the inside, outer terminals do wear, it's not a problem at all from electro-migration effects, and is a gap there at rotor to terminal , and it arcs there as it spins,..all very normal.. what matters is bad plastic there, if it carbon tracks. that is bad. Usually caps and rotors list until the plastics fail. not the metal.. a new 02 can give you better cruising MPG, (fuel economy) white tips spark plug, is great. the unleaded fuel today burns clean. let it... some brands are super clean burning.... white or very light gray or very light cream colors on old spark plugs. are normal. find a store that stocks NGK or BOSCH part,s they are both fantastic parts, ISO9000 rated too. i never buy parts from suzuki if the after market sells them... why make suzuki rich? for zero gain.? including SMP, company sensors. but im here and you are there. and ive idea what's sold in your car stores, I looked your cap some one either: 1: installed rotor, not fully seated 2: wrong rotor. 3: wrong cap, id hope not. that is gross , having the rotor act a buz saw..... the real rotors only fit 1 way (has metal key) seen on stock(Mitsubishi) and Bosch (they even say, fits on one way, like the new rotor did) if someone attempted force it on wrong, wrong, this can happen but would not start. 120 degrees off time, but they might have cranked the engine over manically for 1/2 hour until they discover, omg, 120degress off time. (that cap must have great story to tell) grin! some one needs to tell that rotor maker, wow, nice quality , can be used as buzz saw and survive.. totally, amazing.... RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - LuisCarlos - 01-04-2016 (01-03-2016, 05:45 AM)fixkick Wrote: bosch sells o2 for $25-50 USD and they invented it. $200 is stealer ship prices.. we have same here. Today, I'm going to buy a MST 2800B Multimeter by eBay there is a point to delivery items purchased online, because I never buy by Internet some flight tickit only.. In a shop informatic thay show me how to buy that Multimeter, because I don't know exactly how to do.. This is I want to buy, as you show me before.. Digital Tachometer meter TACH DWELL Tester ... - eBay I'll tell you what about everything.. Cheers!! RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - fixkick - 01-04-2016 the cars in Europe if you look at a real EPC, the real electronic part cats, they have many different distributors there, unlike our ONE. (one per 8v, one pre 16) but not so there, and then there is the specter of Santana's.... more distribs? rotor is clearly wrong, for that cap, but in truth, wrong for that distributor, (cap/rotor/dist,) must MATCH. and many DONT there. (same with other parts) let me get the correct parts numbers for a Santana and then cross them. for you. now. to use EBAY here, you must have Paypal. and that takes a Paypal activation to checking or VISA, or MC etc. once set up, its a click and go. pay, now. vsig Vitara JLK (not a Sidekick )with G16A engine 8 valves, by Santana of Spain mfg plant the engines there are called TYPES, and they have many types. some with unique distributors and ECU. finding parts that fit can be hard, aftermarket. do to variances. ill now get the real suzuki numbers for that engine. DISTRIB. and see how many suzuki it fits, (can help cross refr, parts) what to do? to see fair prices, go to rockauto.com see choices , max and price. there is no reason to get ripped off.... with those facts known.... 400% mark up over retail is wild scalping , IMO. (like dealers do) then using those part numbers google search for locals that have fair prices.... the clue you see is the connector is different on the side of the distributor this is your clue as to it being so very different inside , too. i have the SUZUKI parts catalog, world wide. (and book versions,. all very rare now.) and includes the santana. more soon, Quote:This cap has four wire only they are to the spark plugs (photo), it's differnet from the manual, but the vitara have been this model all the time, by the way, I don't know where is the ignitor coil, high voltage come to the distributor from a conic piece inside it..i cant understand this. are you saying the cap is not 5 high voltage wires? that means the induction spark coil is in side the distributor casing. the coil inside has this tall plastic rod and brass tip, it is the spark coil ours did this in 1996, the 1995 and older are FIRE WALL Coils. descrete how many pins on side of distrib base. Hark Its a Santana and uses a special distributor. - fixkick - 01-04-2016 im looking now at all 8v Santana setups.(parts book) it is not indexed by year, over there. for this car. (small pain) ok, I found why this is SO hard there. seen it before. here are the facts, Santana, in their great wisdom, decides to run a 16v distr, in a 8v engine, starting in 1996. no coil on fire wall. (that would save them big money no lie, 1 distrib 2 engine) they used the same distrib used in England (E02) and Germany(E22) market codes.... I told you market codes are LAW. and this case proves this fully. parts number below Suz, all # (yours and 11 other markets and for sure Market 53 =Spain) 33100-70e00 whole distrib, end to end) (note the 70e code) 33321-70e10 cap 33310-70E00 rotor QOD: question of the day? is your dust cap below motor missing? if missing?, spark can flash over and wreck all that lower electronics. there. so my guess is you are running (pretty sure with that damage I am) non Santana parts , running Suzuki 8v parts, on a santana does now work..... sorry. thus the huge damage there. running suffix numbers below are dead wrong on this car. -56bxx -60axx parts, that are all 100% wrong for any 96 + santana. 95 santana even more oddly runs 58Bxx distrib ! ouch. i guess im the only santana expert,? LOL, not hardly, but your vin code some where shows the market for your car, SPAIN market code is E53, or code 53, BTW, by the way.... the next year,? ? shows (more horror) same parts as yours. called the Santana E-III and last the 1998 omg , Santana reverts to Standard Suzuki distributors the 60a1 ( flip.flop.flip) ouch. now that IS a tough act to follow.. so if you by the 1996, German 16v cap, it fits. see>? E22 is Germany and fits. buy a cap and rotor from (bosch) 1996 only. 16v only... not 8v. in SPAIN, or England or Germany Switzerland Belgium (4-wheel) Holland Portugal Italy Austria Greece. or take original cap and ask for 1996 vitara 16v cap, it will match. to any auto parts store above. I examined every Santana distrib. good luck ! btw2 our 1996 engine is 16valve and no 8v and the same distributor in ours fits yours, same part numbers. just checked. RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - LuisCarlos - 01-05-2016 (01-04-2016, 10:24 PM)fixkick Wrote: the cars in Europe The connector has seven pins or at lees seven wires, you can see it in photo gallery.. I think that rotor is worn, and you can see a small crack next to that set screw in distributor cap, I removes cap because I saw that crack, perhaps there is not problem for the moment, and for that I thought to buy a new onw cap too.. RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - fixkick - 01-06-2016 ok found all your photos. in actuators that is a 70E distrib, the side of same will have plate with 70E on it. its Santana distrib. the 7 pins on the connector are on 3 like our 8v. the coil is inside, unlike any here, on 8v with ignitor. the rotor is undamaged so the maker of that cap machines it like that. very odd and means the casings are crude, never seen anything like it, but fun to witness this. why does that list of parts, show no 70E distrib.? for your 8v santana? ![]() sorry i retact my statement. if that rotor shown was with that cap its whole life, then the cap is normal. keep in mind see many rotors installed wrong or wrong index as our G16b loves to do, not seated and does same deal, eats up the cap, vast times.... so so its cap made in a crude way, and extra machining step. that most never need. the distributor side on all real suzukis shows its partnumber mine would be 33100-70e00 (last 2 or 3 digits can vary for revisions) means whole dist. here is our 7 wire. 70Exx see the 7 wires.? ![]() see all my drawing mod's to show exactly how it really works. hall sensor. a real ignition. transistor and comments. the short answer is a Santana is not a Vitara. as the world uses. its got mod;'s they should of called it SanTara. LOL, or like in Canada, the Sunbird, RE: Problem to start when the engine is hot - LuisCarlos - 01-07-2016 (01-06-2016, 12:59 AM)fixkick Wrote: ok found all your photos. Yes, some parts are from Santana and other from Suzuki, the mech told me that, he told me too that Santana bought all Suzuki parts when Suzuki leaving Linares Factory some years ago.. Well, I have another good news I did CEL with DLC, I used a service wire from Diagnostic Request Trminal to Ground Terminal, and the result was No. 12. without faillure.. But when I went to post it in Gallery it said quote limited again, but that photo has 373 KB only less than the lasts photos I posted'.. And I have a video of flashes of that test showing how Check Engine Light work, that video last 8 second only and has 14,7 MB, but Idon't know how to post it.. Sorry for that, but I think it will be very usefull and to help other people.. The only way I can do is sending that video to your mail address if you give permission, of course, then I'll send you it.. I sent it to a friend and he saw it very well.. On the other hand, we konw now there is any faillure in the Electronis System Injection, rest only to wait MST 200B come from Las Vegas to do the Duty Cycle to regulate that duck idle we have long term.. Anyway I think and after that Check Engine Test, the idle problem can be from a differnet part outside of TBI, but this idea, because is an idea only, came me after that code No. 12. test means witout faillure.. I'll tell you a crancking historial that I have ready to tell you after you tell me about this last test.. So, I'll wait your reply and comments about video and photos too and no hurry, of course. Cheers!! |