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RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - rasmeidirt - 02-20-2017
(02-19-2017, 10:36 AM)MtTrails Wrote: OK, got it running great again thanks to all your help guys. Here's what I did.
1. Replaced all 4 COP's
2. I found the adjusting nuts loose on the throttle cable and it was very so tight that it wasn't idling down all the way. I don't know if this had anything to do with it missing, maybe a sensor somewhere on the cable somewhere send bad signal to the computer, I just don't know.
But I drove it twice today and it ran like a top again.
Can you share what are the names of the 4 COP and the part numbers and also where did you buy them?
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - fixkick - 02-20-2017
all good questions
the a/t cable is the kickdown cable. to the a/t box. and is jammed, in your case, (hard to see both ends and true case ,yes)
but the TCM has a backup to that (kickdown cable), called TPS input, the TCM sees you press the throttle hard and down shifts, later 2 more year? the cable was deleted.
yes, the 3rd cable is Cruise, so you have no cruise. (on new cars, cruise is all software, + motor driven throttle TV )
make sure you still have 0.5v at the TPS, and all will work. ok.
the trouble with stuck tranny TV cable is if it sticks pulled out. this causes tans to shift tool early, all the time. forever.
the other end is very hard to reach,(horrid) behind, range switch and needs pan drop to replace it.
http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/slush/slide-03-72LE/zuk-slush-pump4wd.jpg
http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/slush/slide-03-72LE/html/image_12.html
see this nice chart ,this is the effects of kick down and speed,, the dotted lines are the TV effects
http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/slush/slide-03-72LE/html/image_25.html
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - fixkick - 02-20-2017
and the power button effects.
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - MtTrails - 02-21-2017
You are correct.
This vehicle does not have cruise.
I have always wondered why it shifts down too soon. The slightest hill makes it shift down.
So you are saying the switch bolts are accessible by removing the oil pan? What is the name of the switch so I can look for one?
Rasmeidirt
This is where I got the COP’s:
Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142117589574?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - fixkick - 02-21-2017
(02-21-2017, 03:02 AM)MtTrails Wrote: You are correct.
This vehicle does not have cruise.
I have always wondered why it shifts down too soon. The slightest hill makes it shift down.
So you are saying the switch bolts are accessible by removing the oil pan? What is the name of the switch so I can look for one?
Rasmeidirt
This is where I got the COP’s:
Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142117589574?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I have no comments china cloned, cops,, they are dirt cheap.. as low as boots,here,
The Suzuki 96-98 SPORT 1.8L 33410-77E11 (96-97 with external ignitior) and 33410-77E21 in 98' with internal ignitor. (apples and oranges different)
here are the real parts, who to buy clones on such a rare car ,is not easy, so few still running not , and less asking for help...
in 1998 the ignitors were moved into the COP actual /
the cable can fail many ways
snap
rust and seize
fray and jam
or just need lube?
replacing it is a nightmare. right? unlike the very old 3L30 3,speed.
only the transmission book
see the PNRDL switch here, on the rGHT end of the Manual CONTROL VALVE. ROD.
http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/slush/slide-03-72LE/zuk-slush-pump4wd.jpg
NOW SEE INSIDE TRANSMISSON
SEE PART20,,, THAT IS WHAT THE END OF THE CABLE FITS UPON. AGAIN IT IS INSIDE THE BOX
http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/slush/slide-03-72LE/html/image_20.html
AMAZING, MY PAGE COVERS THIS HERE... FORGOT AFTER 10 LONG YEARS.
SEE THIS? IT CLEAR , I HOPE.
http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/slush/OD-flashes%20now%20what.html#kick-down_facts
I'd attempt to lube it and free it up,, avoiding a huge job.
this box is A44DE (Aisin BorgWarner) how to connect this end , is by their design not suzuki's
if use a motorcycle hand lever cable oiler. ever seen cables on a motor cycle, throttle or clutch
the sell cable oilier that have fitting tool allowing you to force lube a cable.
after wait 24hr. see if it Free's up?
might save 5hours hard labor. or more..
more.see this
see chapter 7b1?
see page 86 (pdf page)
doing exactly this step, cable off. step 14 to 20 is the DEAL.
drain pan oil
and the VB is removed. a very risky step that. step 18 is not easy. what if VB gasket is damaged.
doing this on car,with VB dripping in face, and then removing the VB bolts, and it wanting to fall on your face, is no fun, I.m thinking Bunji cords wrapped here, then tilt the VB down, and detach cable, then let bunji pull it back up?
http://www.fixkick.com/tranny/sidekick_drivetrain_manual.pdf
VB service on car, ifs for the brave,many shops will not even try.... for cause.
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - fixkick - 02-21-2017
the tranny tv cable actually drops line main pressures inside , extending shift points, hydraulically.
the TPS is a partial backup to that. the rules on that are a secret , but i can tell you for fact the TV cable always wins this battle, (hydraulic wins)
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - MtTrails - 02-21-2017
OK, so I'll be trying to free up the cable today and I'll report back. I don't really want to get into the inside of the tranny.
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - fixkick - 02-21-2017
(02-21-2017, 04:40 AM)MtTrails Wrote: OK, so I'll be trying to free up the cable today and I'll report back. I don't really want to get into the inside of the tranny.
yes avoid all pan drops , until solenoids fail...yes.
LOTS OF WAYS
use plastic sandwich bag
and cable top end bashed in to bottom of bag
they ,yes,duck tape that so cant fall out and leak oil,,,
then duct tape (again) the bag to hood so opening is up
fill bad with 2 teaspoon oil.
and let set over night.
let mother earth Gravity work in your favor?
the exercise that cable, for it to free up?
and then feel the return spring inside the transmission?
its like the throttle but far weaker spring.
the trans sucks the cable back, by its self when working correctly
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - MtTrails - 02-21-2017
OK, thanks for that great tip. I will do this today. Will anything be damaged if I were to force the cable back a bit to help free it up?
RE: 97 Sidekick Sport 1.8L - CUTS OUT AT 1/4 THROTTLE - fixkick - 02-21-2017
(02-21-2017, 05:03 AM)MtTrails Wrote: OK, thanks for that great tip. I will do this today. Will anything be damaged if I were to force the cable back a bit to help free it up?should be ok
its stuck out so, going back in ,the other end at part ID20 , the bell crank is spring loaded.
id work it in/out, get oil or to start penetrating oil at first.
its just no different than bicycle brake cables... sheath and a center cable.